Monday, February 2.
A new member, to wit, Ebenezer Mattoon, returned to serve as a member of this House for the State of Massachusetts, in the room of Samuel Lyman, who has resigned his seat, appeared, produced his credentials, was qualified, and took his seat in the House.
Election of President.
A motion being made and seconded that the House do come to the following resolution, to wit:
Resolved, That a committee be appointed to prepare and report such rules, as, in their opinion, are proper to be adopted by this House, to be observed in the choice of a President of the United States, whose term is to commence on the fourth day of March next, if, when the votes which have been given by the electors appointed under the authority of the States shall have been counted, as prescribed by the constitution, it shall appear that no person for whom the electors shall have voted, has a majority, or that more than one person, having such majority, have an equal number of votes:
Ordered, That Mr. Rutledge, Mr. Nicholas, Mr. Griswold, Mr. Macon, Mr. Bayard, Mr. Taliaferro, Mr. Foster, Mr. Claiborne, Mr. Otis, Mr. Davis, Mr. Morris, Mr. Champlin, Mr. Baer, Mr. Cooper, Mr. Linn, and Mr. Woods, be appointed a committee, pursuant to the said resolution.
Ordered, That the motion made on Friday last relative to the mode of commencing and continuing the ballot for the choice of a President of the United States, be referred to the committee last appointed.
District of Columbia.
The House then went into Committee of the Whole on the bill for the government of the District of Columbia. While the question was being taken for the House to resolve itself into a committee, Mr. Smilie rose and moved the postponement of this order till the third day of March next. He made this motion, he said, in order to try the sense of the House, whether they were determined to assume the jurisdiction or not. He hoped it would not, and was proceeding to show his reasons, when
The Speaker reminded him of the order of the House. He could not be permitted to discuss the merits of the bill under this motion.
Mr. Smilie conceived the question to affect the bill generally, and simply to be, whether the House would agree to disfranchise some thousands of persons of their political rights, which they now enjoyed. If this was not considered an object of importance enough to command attention, he must confess other gentlemen saw it in a very different light from that in which he viewed it. By the passage of this bill, the people of the district would be reduced to the state of subjects, and deprived of their political rights, and he very much doubted whether not of their civil rights also. If, indeed, there was such an imperious necessity of assuming the jurisdiction, of which he was by no means convinced, then it must be done; but, if that great and immediate necessity did not exist, why should this privation of rights take place? If it was necessary to reduce the City of Washington to a state of local government by an incorporation, he contended that act could be done by the State Legislature; as he did not conceive the local demands of the people called for it, as they could want no such assumption as the bill contemplated, and as he could perceive no advantage to be derived to the General Government thereby, and as the assumption would eventually injure the people, he trusted it would be postponed, at least.
Mr. Rutledge said, he had always uniformly opposed any motion for postponing a bill, the consideration of which the House had not gone into. Although it might be in order, it could not be perfectly fair, from various considerations; if, however, it were only from its tendency to preclude the investigation of the bill, it were sufficient. The gentleman had stated it not to be necessary. Who are to judge? Most assuredly the people belonging to the Territory. And what have they said? Why, sir, they have prayed the House to assume the jurisdiction. From this petition the subject was referred to a committee, and this committee have reported a bill, and a bill well discussed and well matured in its detail. To refuse this bill from a diversity of sentiment, would be to insult the committee, and to insult the people of the Territory. If the gentleman wishes to please the people, why does he not suffer the consideration of the bill to proceed, and afford his aid in making it what he supposes their desires would concur in? Perhaps the gentleman has not read the bill. Mr. R. said, if he had not, how was he to know whether it was good or bad? Something must be done. He wished to get at that something, but was precluded by the motion. It certainly became the gentleman to show how this bill would operate injuriously upon the people, as a reason for his motion. Disfranchisement, to be sure, had been mentioned as the result of this bill; but how was the House to know that would be its tendency, except by going into its investigation?
Mr. Craik, also, considered this order of the House as the most unfair one among the rules of the House. However, it must be permitted while the order continued. The gentleman had said the people were in a state of vassalage; how was this declaration to be refuted, if the order of the House forbade the investigation into the application of this bill to the liberties of the people? The gentleman further said, that the people did not desire this assumption of jurisdiction. Were he, Mr. C. said, to give an opinion upon the subject, it would be drawn from the same source with that expressed by the gentleman, but of a very different import. He should say, as far as his knowledge of their sentiments extended, and he professed to be pretty well acquainted with their ideas upon this subject, that their feelings, their interests, and their desires conspired to encourage the assumption, and to prevent the postponement of the subject. As the immediate representative of a large proportion of them, he could say that much uncertainty and disquiet convulsed the minds of many good and wise men among them; that their present uncertainty was truly deplorable; that serious doubts existed with judicious men how far the grants and acceptance of lands, or of their papers, afforded them security for value received; doubts existed, in all their acts of negotiation, whether their respective State laws held any government over them? And this state of insecurity as to their property, could not fail to have an injurious effect. They doubted whether all other jurisdiction did not immediately cease, upon the removal of Congress to the District; and should Congress break up without assuming the jurisdiction, and taking other suitable measures to fix the Government, it would not fail to paralyze every exertion and effort toward a successful establishment. No man at present can assure himself of the right by which he holds his property, or remove his apprehensions. They now called loudly upon the National Government to remove from them this state of doubt and uncertainty; this is the object of the bill before the House; by this bill, a variety of inconveniences are removed, and the Government use their effort to make their situation at least more certain; and, he had no doubt, more safe and desirable. This it was incumbent on the Government to do; and this, he trusted, a majority of the House would be disposed to do soon. If the objects or provisions of the bill did not meet that gentleman's desires, he wished an opportunity to hear the objections, to enable him, as far as in his power, to remove them.
Mr. Smilie was proceeding to show that, at any rate, such a bill as the present ought not to pass, when
The Speaker interrupted him, saying that any arguments that went to show that the third day of March was a more proper time than the present for this bill to pass would only be in order.
Mr. Smilie continued to show the impropriety of the bill, and the inevitable injuries that must be sustained by it, when he was again reminded of the question of order.
Mr. S. proceeded: that it might be the wish of some of the people, he would not say; but he denied that such a wish had been expressed, and therefore it ought not to be considered as correct. As to the question of doubt on the minds of the people, whether or not they held their property secure, not being certain of the existence of their former State laws, he referred to the acts of cession, passed by the States of Maryland and Virginia respectively, the words of which were, that the laws remained in force "until Congress shall by law otherwise provide." Under this express provision, the cession was made by the two States; and by this provision the Government of the United States accepted the grant of the ten miles square. And, therefore, until Congress by law should accept of the jurisdiction and nullify the laws of those States over the District, there could be no doubt but they remained in full force, and property was held as secure under those laws as ever. As he had before observed, he contended that an act of incorporation could be obtained for the city of Washington without this bill. From all these grounds, he believed the bill to be at present unnecessary.
Mr. H. Lee did not wonder at this opposition, considering the quarter from whence it came; perhaps, he said, if he had come from Pennsylvania, the idea of losing the General Government might instigate him to wish to give the stabbing blow to every act which should go to the establishing of that Government in another place. But, he trusted, as these local reasons could not influence gentlemen from other States, they would not concur in his arguments. He trusted other gentlemen would lay to their hands and join to make this District a settled Government, and go into the examination of the principles proposed to accomplish that measure. He hoped not merely words of kindness escaping from the lips of gentlemen, would be deemed by them sufficient, but that their efforts would be used to produce a well-digested and valuable government, for the security of their civil and political rights.
With respect to the act of cession, he contended that the solemn injunctions of the constitution were detailed in words upon which the most critical could not find wherewith to hang a doubt. There the Congress of the United States were enjoined to "exercise exclusive jurisdiction." When was this jurisdiction to commence but at the period when the General Government should occupy it? Was not, then, this spot become the permanent seat of the Government of the Union? Were not the different departments, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, assembled, according to the constitution, in this District? How, then, could the respective States of Virginia and Maryland a moment longer possess the jurisdiction? It was completely done away, and nothing was now wanting to remove the miserable state of suspense the people now felt, but the declaration of the Government that this was the case; that moment would all their fears be appeased. As a friend to those people, then, as much as that gentleman could be, he hoped an opportunity would be given to examine the bill, not doubting but it would be made to meet the wishes, as he was assured it would be the interest of the people to be governed by it.
Mr. Macon said the motion was perfectly in order, and explained some of the cases for which it was established, as a rule of the House. As to the jurisdiction being assumed by the removal of Congress here, as the gentleman last up had said, were that the case, not only by this bill would it be assumed, but the acts of the two States must have ceased from the day Congress first sat here; a deduction by no means supported. The only evidence the House had of the desire of the people to come specially under the National Government, was a petition from Alexandria, except that the gentleman from the District had learned so among his friends. But did that express the will or wishes of the inhabitants of the surrounding country.
As he believed the laws of the States to be in full force; as he believed they would remain so until otherwise enacted by Congress, and as postponing the bill till the third of March would afford the people a large time to reflect on the subject, and express their will more generally, he hoped the postponement would take place. He would remind the House that this measure once taken, could not be undone; and, therefore, prudence would dictate that time should be taken to do it well. The act could not be repealed without amending the constitution. If the gentleman only calculated upon an opposition from Pennsylvania, he was mistaken. Mr. M. presumed that he could not be supposed to have local attachments, residing very far from the former, or the present seat of Government; he was, notwithstanding, opposed to taking up this subject at present, and even during the present session. The delay of acceptance could not displease the inhabitants, if they were satisfied as to the present jurisdiction, which did not, in his opinion, admit of a doubt. It was impossible that the postponement could be attended with any inconvenience; they had been in the same situation for ten years, and wherein could be the inconvenience of their remaining so? Nay, there must be advantages in their usages and customs being continued to them. He wished this matter to be postponed till another session.
Mr. Bird never could suppose that the members of the Legislature would be satisfied with their removal from a place of accommodation to a wilderness, and with subjecting themselves to the inconveniences of this place, without exercising all the powers intrusted to them, and taking the jurisdiction to the Government, the members and subordinates of which were to subject themselves to the code of laws under which they should place themselves. A motion, therefore, to continue the jurisdiction out of the hands of the Government, much surprised him. All the arguments used by the gentleman in favor of a postponement, would operate fully to the entire abandonment of the subject; and did he suppose that all the expense attending the removal of the whole Government, all the inconvenience experienced, would be, or ought to be, borne without the enjoyment of that constitutional right, nay, injunction, of "exclusive legislation?" What could have been the reason why Congress was to assume this exclusive legislation? Did not the members of the convention know that a great quantity of public treasure would be drawn together into this place? Did they not suppose it of importance to secure the privileges and rights of foreign ministers, who would necessarily be brought to reside in this District? Did they not consider the number of persons attached to the Government worthy of the special regard of the national Legislature? Could any gentleman conceive that these were not too great powers to be intrusted to any State whatever? Else why was the provision for exclusive jurisdiction made? To avoid putting those powers into execution, he firmly believed, would be omitting a great and important duty. But, were it not for the words of the constitution, the words of the acts of cession made by the States were as ample upon the subject as one sovereign power in the act of granting, and another sovereign power in the act of receiving a cession, could make. This was precisely the case; the two States made a full and complete cession of the jurisdiction to the General Government, upon the terms of the constitution, which were to "exercise exclusive legislation, in all cases whatever, over such District," which had, by the cession of those particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the Government of the United States. How, he would ask gentlemen, could this be granted, and yet retained? It was absurd to suppose a man could grant a piece of land, and by the same instrument retain it.
But suppose this was a doubtful subject, whether or not the laws of the two States were in force in the District; would the gentleman still wish to leave it in doubt? Surely no new laws could be made by those States to affect this district, actually made the seat of Government, and he contended that none of the laws whatever did exist here, and that the power of the civil officers actually had ceased; it therefore required no painting to show that the state of the place was truly deplorable. Would the gentleman yet wish to leave the District without laws, and merely lest it should take away their suffrage? That the people could not be represented in the General Government, Mr. B. admitted. But where was the blame, if any could attach? Certainly not to the men who made the act of cession; not to those who accepted it. It was to the men who framed the constitutional provision, who peculiarly set apart this as a District under the national safeguard and Government. But, he contended, there was no injury sustained. What less compensation than the particular legislation of this District could be required for the removal of the Government, whereby in these almost uninhabited woods the beginnings of a rich and prosperous city was commenced, and made the capital of the United States?
The motion for postponement was withdrawn without a question being taken, and the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole on the bill. Mr. Smilie moved to strike out the first section of the bill.
Mr. Smilie said he would willingly give the reasons which prompted him to make the motion, and he hoped the gentleman would as freely make his reply. If it could be proved to him that the rights of these people could be reserved by the passage of the bill, it would give him pleasure, but, believing it to be impossible, he wished to destroy the bill. It could not be denied but that the people of this District were precisely in the same situation at present which they always had been, and subject to the same laws, but would it be so when the Government once accepted the cession? It would not. Not a man in the District would be represented in the Government, whereas every man who contributed to the support of a government ought to be represented in it, otherwise his natural rights were subverted, and he left, not a citizen, but a subject. This was one right the bill deprived these people of, and he had always been taught to believe it was a very serious and important one. It was a right which this country, when under subjection to Great Britain, thought worth making a resolute struggle for, and evinced a determination to perish rather than not enjoy.
Another, and an important right, of which those people were about to be deprived, was, that their Judges and their Governor were not to be the choice of themselves, but of the President. The privilege of a local Legislature might be given to the people, but of what avail could they be if the Governor appointed by the President could deprive them of every act they might make by his negative? Where was their security if the acts of these Representatives of the people could be to-morrow revoked by a power deriving authority from elsewhere? Much as gentlemen might talk about dignity of government, nothing, he thought, would more comport with true dignity than liberty, and without it dignity of government was not worth a name. It surely must be disagreeable for the Government to be in the midst of a people who are deprived of their rights, and what insecurity there ever had been, or ever would be, to the Government, from its residence under the laws of the States, he could not conceive. He had never known of any. If he could be convinced that the people would not be deprived of these rights, among others, he would agree to some such bill as this.
Mr. Dennis acknowledged that had he the same impressions as the member who had just sat down, he would not hesitate for a moment to believe that liberty had been forced to yield to a reign of absolute slavery. But from a consideration of the interests of the people, of the dignity of the Government, and of the seat of the Congress, together with the reflections of the gentleman who had just resumed his seat, he felt himself called upon to make some observations by way of an answer.
As to the interests of the people, could it for a moment be doubted that a local government, a judiciary, and a legislature, would be highly advantageous? Could any man doubt but it would be more convenient and advantageous for the inhabitants to attend the courts in this place than to be taken away to Richmond or to Annapolis? It had been always an approved privilege that justice should be brought home to every man's door, and where could it be more so than by the establishment of a judiciary, especially for this District? Nor were the advantages less, he contended, in the legislative department. If a ready communication with their representatives was desirable to the people, by the residence and sitting of the representatives of this District being within itself, the communication was easy, and the rights of the people in their local concerns more attainable, surely, than though they had to go to Richmond or to Annapolis. But, taking a more comprehensive view of the subject, Mr. D. asked if the general interests of the District would not be more secured by persons immediately acquainted and concerned, than by persons of different States, and at a distance from the place? One or two representatives to each legislature would be the utmost that the District could send, and these placed among men of different interests, what could be expected compared to a body such as is prescribed by this bill, drawn from among the people themselves? In these legislatures, the numerous local circumstances which must call for attention in a newly planted and rapidly growing capital, never can receive due attention. Every person must know that a great proportion of business must arise from a commercial city. From observation he could say that about one-third of the business of the Legislature of Maryland usually arose from Baltimore alone. As this city, therefore, grew in population and in trade, the demand for legislative attention would increase, and either its interests must be neglected, or the sitting of the State legislatures must be protracted too far. Besides this, experience must have taught gentlemen that numerous bodies could not so well attend to the minute advantages of a place like this as small bodies, and particularly such as well knew its situation and circumstances.
It had been said that these people were happy. Mr. D. admitted it; but a change of circumstances made an inevitable difference, and required a different mode of legislating. This District of the General Government, being a part of two States, must require an alteration from its former government. Surely the organization of a local body must be more advantageous than any modifications which could be made by those two Legislatures. So far from a rule of despotism then being over these people, he thought the passing of this bill would much increase their prosperity. It was said that, by the assumption of the jurisdiction, these people would ask how much they were heretofore represented in the two Legislatures to which they sent delegates. They were so in name, but very little in essence, from the comparatively small number they could send to the Legislatures. But the arguments went as much against the assumption at any future time as at present. That it would be some time taken up there could be no doubt. It ought therefore to be recollected, that if it would ever be proper, a period more unfavorable to the interests of the people might be selected than the present, and therefore the present moment ought to be accepted, and especially so, as he believed the people were desirous of it, and were satisfied with the features of the bill. From their contiguity to, and residence among the members of the General Government, they knew, that though they might not be represented in the national body, their voice would be heard. But if it should be necessary, the constitution might be so altered as to give them a delegate to the General Legislature when their numbers should become sufficient. Upon the whole, he could see no measures which would more immediately promote the interests of the people of this district, and give stability to their minds, and to their concerns with each other, than the present bill and, therefore, he hoped the section would remain.
Mr. Macon said, he could see no such immediate necessity for this law. A gentleman had told the committee it was necessary because the States did not pay regard to it. Mr. M. supposed the same attention was paid to this district as usual, and the same as was paid to any other particular part. He believed their political and local rights were as perfectly secure without this bill as any other part of those States, and if the object of gentlemen was to make it better or worse, he should be opposed to it. Before the least change from their former situation, some inconveniences ought to be mentioned under which they labored, and this had not been done, more than mere conjecture and surmises had engendered. Most assuredly there ought to be some good ground for this assumption, because it was not merely a common act of the Legislature, which could be repealed or amended as soon as passed. It was an act of a nature that could not be essentially altered without an alteration in the constitution, because if the assumption was once accepted, it could not be parted with.
It would be so far from advantageous to the city of Washington, Mr. M. said, that it must essentially injure it. On one side of the water was Alexandria, a populous town; on the other side was Georgetown. Would not these two give to the legislature a majority? And if so, a more palpable evil could not be put upon the city than by putting it in with more numerous towns whose interests would ever be opposed to the growth of the city. There would inevitably be an Alexandria interest, a Georgetown interest, and a city interest, and those struggling with each other.
It was said to be inconvenient to be represented at a distance, from the want of an easy communication. How could this be? What was more easy than for letters and instructions to be sent by post? The communication was easy from all parts of the United States to Congress, and could be equally so to any place where the post goes. There could be no doubt but the States would pay as much attention to the interests of this District, if it continued under their jurisdiction, as ever had been done, and more: by not suffering it to endure any injury which it could prevent, Congress should immediately take the jurisdiction. The language and meaning of gentlemen could be well understood. Gentlemen were called to support the measure with energy, while they had strength. No doubt this was the principal ground of their endeavors to push the measure, although the Legislature had but just met here, and there had been scarce time to know what would be the proper regulations to adopt. But he wished to remind them, that although the law might be passed, the time would not be far off when his friends would be in the minority, and some considerable alterations might be made in it.
Mr. M. then proceeded to the details of the bill. He disliked the establishment of a government, the executive and judiciary of which were in the appointment of the President of the United States, the former for three years and the latter during good behavior: and these, both governor and judges of the superior and inferior courts, to be paid out of the Treasury of the United States. Could it be the wish of the gentleman, he asked, to establish in the very heart of the United States, and immediately under the eye of the Government, such a principle as that these rulers should be independent and entirely above the control of the people? He declared that if he should be in Congress again, and as long as he ever should be in the House, he should constantly make it his duty to exert himself for the repeal of so bad a principle, and leave the governor, the judges, and the Legislature, immediately amenable to the people. Another thing he should also be ever opposed to, was the manner of this House of Representatives and Senate being chosen, and the time of their continuance. Why should they be elected here for two years, when in all the State Legislatures, he believed they were chosen annually, except two, in one of which they were elected every six months, and in the other, every two years. A greater absurdity still was evinced in the time for which, and the manner how the Senators were chosen—six years, and by electors. Although in these things there was a similarity to the choice of the General Government, he would ask what similarity there could be in the two Governments? In the one there is a vast extent of country and a numerous population; in the other, a small population, a small tract of country, and an almost general knowledge by every one of every individual in it. He doubted whether the Legislature of the Union could at all delegate powers to this local government; but whether or not, he could see no kind of necessity during the present session to assume them. The Government would go on as well as before, and he had no doubt the city would continue in that rapid state of prosperity gentlemen had witnessed since they arrived here.
The committee rose without taking a question, and had leave to sit again.