A. You can't see very well, because of the smoke and one thing or other—I would not say for certain it was them.
Q. You do not know anything that occurred. Did you see any police in this crowd when you went there Saturday—when you went to see this friend of yours?
A. I think I saw one or two police—I think I saw two police.
Q. Were they making an effort to keep the crowd back, and keep them orderly?
A. One of these police talked to a man on the corner of Liberty and Twenty-eighth street, right at the end of the Pennsylvania shops. I judged, from the way he was talking to him, that he wanted him to go home. I was not near enough to him to tell.
Q. There was no force there sufficient to make any impression on the crowd?
A. There was nothing necessary for force. The men were quiet. Of course they were standing on the railroad track, but there was no noise. They were quiet, peaceable men. There was nothing until the Philadelphia soldiers came. That was the commencement of it.
Q. When the sheriff came up, what did the crowd—did they say anything or do anything?
A. Not until the squad of about twenty-five soldiers came up in the center. Then they commenced to shove, and they had not room to get out. I suppose if they had given them five minutes, they could have got away.
Q. Did the sheriff make any call upon the crowd to disperse?