A. That I cannot tell. I was not here.
Q. Was there any organization here known as the Trainmen's Union?
A. I understand that they have an organization here—Locomotive Engineers' and Trainmen's Union.
Q. Did you learn it from any of the men themselves?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you learn the objects of the Trainmen's Union?
A. Well, all objects—the idea that they gave me was, it was for beneficial and mutual protection. The parties that were arrested—the larger part of them that were arrested by the mayor's police, they blamed it more on the locomotive engineers than any other society. That they had got them to strike, and showed their hand, and got them into trouble, and they had stood back and done nothing. We often find, when persons are in trouble and they are in jail, they always have some other parties to blame it on.
Q. Did they say to you what they proposed to do?
A. No, sir; other than they wanted their wages increased. They did not speak of the organization as one of the objects being for the purpose of getting up strikes. They said it was more as a beneficial and mutual protection society; but I inferred from what they said that they regarded the society would act together in a strike.
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