Q. I understand, after you returned from the lock-up, you found the crowd still assembled at Twenty-eighth street?
A. Yes.
Q. How large was it then?
A. It was increased then, I estimate, to about the number of two hundred people, women, and children, and boys, and men.
Q. What were they doing at that time?
A. They were just standing around there chatting and talking among themselves. The excitement was still increasing.
Q. No effort was made to start the trains from that time until three o'clock?
A. When those men came from the office—the second force—Mr. Watt went up to Torren's station. I believe there was no person there that appeared to make any effort to do anything. Mr. Fox, the chief of the Pennsylvania railroad police was there, and I was under his instructions to do anything he wanted done. From that time, until I left, no effort was made on their part to run out trains east. There was an attempt made after I left to run trains out, but of course I did not see that.
Q. Did you command the crowd to disperse?
A. We undertook to keep the crowd off the tracks, but our force was not sufficient. As soon as we would get one track cleared, they would come in on the other. It would have required at two or three o'clock—it would have required a hundred men to clear the tracks, and do it effectually, and I did not have the necessary force to do it with. They appeared to loiter around there talking, and the crowd kept on increasing.