Q. Speaking then of your own knowledge, you simply speak of roads leading in and out of Pittsburgh?
A. My knowledge in this particular is from the employés of the road.
Q. And your conversation was with the employés of the roads leading in and out of Pittsburgh?
A. Mostly roads leading in and out of Pittsburgh. I may say wholly so, with the exception of the Atlantic and Great Western.
Q. In conversation with these men did they mention, or did you find out from them, that there was any organization among them?
A. Oh! yes; I knew of an organization—the Trainmen's Union—I knew there was such an organization as that.
Q. As the Trainmen's Union?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know the object and purpose of that organization?
A. Yes; they talked to me that there were several objects they wished to accomplish by that organization. We had a great many discussions about the thing. The only object they had, of course, was to make an organization that they thought would be sufficiently strong to enable them to have something to say about the rate of pay. Another was to re-instate some men who had been discharge for cause.