On the following day, Monday, the 26th of November, I heard that a post mortem examination was to take place. I went to Dr. Bamford’s house, intending to accompany him to the post mortem, and I found Palmer there in the study. That was about ten o’clock in the day. Palmer asked me what I wanted? I told him that I had come to attend the post mortem. He asked whether I thought Mr. Salt was going; and I replied that he was engaged, and could not go. I took the necessary instruments with me, and went down to the Talbot Arms. Dr. Harland, and Mr. Frere, a surgeon, practising at Rugeley, were both there. They went away, however, for a short time, and left Palmer and me together in the entrance to the hall at the Talbot Arms. He spoke to me. He said—“It will be a dirty job; I will go and have some brandy.” I went with him to his house, which was just opposite. He gave me two wine glasses of neat brandy, and he took the same quantity himself. He said, “You’ll find this fellow suffering from a diseased throat—he has had syphilis, and has taken a great deal of mercury.” I afterwards went over with Palmer to the post mortem, and found the other doctors there. During the post mortem, Palmer stood near to Dr. Bamford, against the fire. I was examined before the coroner, and did not state before that functionary that I had given Palmer three grains of strychnine on the night of the 19th of November. The first person that I told of it was Cheshire, the postmaster.
Mr. Sergeant Shee objected to anything that this witness had said to Cheshire being admitted as evidence against the prisoner.
The Court ruled in favour of the objection.
Cross-examined by Mr. Grove, Q.C.: It might have been a week or two or three days after I gave Palmer the strychnine that I first mentioned the occurrence to any one. I think I may undertake to say that it was not a fortnight afterwards. Subsequently to the inquest I was examined for the purpose of giving evidence on the part of the Crown. I cannot say how long after the inquest that was. When I was first examined on behalf of the Crown, I did not mention the three grains of strychnine, but I did mention the conversation about the poisoning of the dog. That was not the first time that I had mentioned that conversation; for I had mentioned it before to Mr. Salt; but I cannot tell how long before. I was examined twice for the purpose of the prosecution by the Crown. I did not mention Cook’s suffering from sore throat at the inquest, but I did mention the conversation which took place at Hawkins’s shop. At that time I knew it had been alleged that Palmer had purchased strychnine at Hawkins’s, and I presumed that my evidence was required with reference to that point. I first stated on Tuesday last, for the purposes of this prosecution, the fact of my having given Palmer three grains of strychnine. I cannot say whether in that examination I said that Palmer said, “You will find this ‘poor’ fellow suffering from a diseased throat.” I don’t know whether I said “poor fellow” or “rich fellow.”
Do you not know that there is a difference in the expression “fellow” and “poor fellow?”—I know that there is a difference between poor and rich. It is impossible to recollect all that I said upon every occasion.
Re-examined by the Attorney-General: I did not mention the circumstance of my having given the strychnine to Palmer, because Mr. Salt, my employer, and Palmer were not friends, and I thought it would displease Mr. Salt if he knew that I had let Palmer have anything. I first mentioned it to Boycott, the clerk of Mr. Gardner, the solicitor, at the Rugeley station, where I and a number of other witnesses were assembled for the purpose of coming to London. As soon as I arrived in London, Boycott took me to Mr. Gardner’s. I communicated to him what I had to say; and I was then taken to the Solicitor of the Treasury, and I made the same statement to him.
Mr. Serjeant Shee: Have you not given another reason for not mentioning the occurrence about the three grains of strychnine before—that reason being that you were afraid you could be indicted for perjury?—No, I did not give that as a reason, but I stated to a gentleman that a young man at Wolverhampton had been threatened to be indicted for perjury by George Palmer because he had said at the inquest upon Walter Palmer that he had sold the prisoner prussic acid, and he had not entered it in the book and could not prove it. I stated at the same time that George Palmer said he could be transported for it. I did not enter the gift of the three grains of strychnine from Mr. Salt’s surgery in a book. The inquest upon Walter Palmer did not take place till five or six weeks after the inquest upon Cook.
The Court then adjourned at twenty-five minutes past six o’clock until the next day, the jury being conducted, as on the previous evening, to the London Coffeehouse in charge of the officers of the Court.