By Lord Ellenborough.—Did he appear to be apprized of the subject before you began?—I cannot say that, my Lord, exactly. But I believe he was apprized from what afterwards occurred.
By Mr. Bolland.—What passed on that occasion between you and him?—I told him I waited upon him, having seen a letter wherein he denied three particular points of the boy’s statement; and I wished to know what those points were.
You told him you had seen a letter that he had written upon the subject?—Yes.
By Lord Ellenborough.—You told him you had seen a letter upon the subject, in which he denied three particular points of the boy’s statement?—Yes.
By Mr. Bolland.—What did he say to that?—He said that he denied having hold of the boy, or the boy having hold of him; or he, Church, saying, that he was the boy’s mistress.
He denied the boy having hold of him, or that he, Church, having said that he was the boy’s mistress?—Yes.
Did he say whether or not he was in the room?—He admitted that fact.
But denied the laying hold of the boy’s private parts?—Yes. He denied the laying hold.
Did he state any reason for being in the room?—Not at all.
By Lord Ellenborough.—When you say that he admitted being in the room, will you, as far as you can, state the words: state what he said?—He said that he denied three particular points, two of which I have already named. The other was something that did not occur to me to be important, and which I did not take any notice of, and consequently I do not remember it. I told him that of these two points, that I have mentioned, the boy was positive, and I had no reason to doubt any thing that the boy had said, as I had never known him to tell a lie. He said that he was sorry for it, because that confirmed ancient reports. I told him it did so; and of course I told him that now I should believe all that I had heard heretofore; and I wished him a good morning.