“Mr. Biddle. I didn’t consider it necessary.

“Mr. Field. I ask you categorically if you didn’t do it with the intention of deceiving the Interstate Commerce Commission and the competitors of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company as to that rate.

“Mr. Biddle. No, sir.

“Mr. Field. What was your purpose, Mr. Biddle?

“Mr. Biddle. Well, we did it for business reasons.

“Mr. Field. What were the business reasons? I want you to tell me the reasons.

“Mr. Biddle. We did it for reasons we did not consider necessary to tell; on coal to intermediate points—the rate that we found it necessary to make to points reached by the El Paso and Southwestern.

“Mr. Field. You say upon your oath now, that you did not do it for the purpose of deceiving the Interstate Commerce Commission or the competitors of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company?

“Mr. Biddle. Whatever answer I may make here I am making under oath.

“Mr. Field. Do you say that is so?