“He said he intended to use them against the Gatling-guns of the militia; that a revolution was impending. I asked him about that satchel he brought to Neff’s place. He said he saw one there. Then I asked him where he got the moulds to mould the round bombs. He said he made them out of clay; that they could be used about two times, then they were no good. He said he saw the ‘Revenge’ circular on the West side.”
“Who did he say was at his place May 4?”—“He said about six in all, but he only knew the two Lehmans.”
Capt. Schaack was asked by Mr. Ingham whether he experimented with fuse.
“I did. I also experimented with dynamite cartridges. I had one inserted into a stone weighing perhaps thirty pounds. The explosion broke this stone into atoms.”
Cross-examined by Mr. Foster.—“What Lingg said to you, Captain, was substantially this: That there was to be a conflict between the police and the Gatling-guns on one side and the laboring men on the other, and that he was making these bombs to use when that time came?”
“That’s about it, only he said the time had actually come.”
“Those experiments you made were made for your own satisfaction?”
“They were made to enable me to testify to the character of the stuff that was found.”
“As a matter of fact you woke up Engel in his cell after midnight to interrogate him, didn’t you?”
“Well, I don’t remember. If I did, I did, and I suppose I did. I had a right to do it.”