Borkman.

Then we have been all the time deceiving each other. And perhaps deceiving ourselves—both of us.

Foldal.

But isn’t that just the essence of friendship, John Gabriel?

Borkman.

[Smiling bitterly.] Yes, you are right there. Friendship means—deception. I have learnt that once before.

Foldal.

[Looking at him.] I have no poetic vocation! And you could actually say it to me so bluntly.

Borkman.

[In a gentler tone.] Well, you know, I don’t pretend to know much about these matters.