“A. ‘If you wish to interpret all that I say otherwise than simply and plainly, then I don’t know what to say. I am a simple and ignorant man. Pray don’t catch me in my words.’
“I. ‘If you are simple, answer simply, without evasions.’
“A. ‘Willingly.’
“I. ‘Will you then swear that you have never learned anything contrary to the faith which we hold to be true?’
“A. (Growing pale) ‘If I ought to swear, I will willingly swear.’
“I. ‘I don’t ask whether you ought, but whether you will swear.’
“A. ‘If you order me to swear, I will swear.’
“I. ‘I don’t force you to swear, because as you believe oaths to be unlawful, you will transfer the sin to me who forced you; but if you will swear, I will hear it.’
“A. ‘Why should I swear if you do not order me to?’
“I. ‘So that you may remove the suspicion of being a heretic.’