“No, sir. I know of no such expenditure.”

“Where could we find records of such transactions?”

“I don’t think such transactions exist.”

“Do you remember advising, at a meeting, that Mr. Ordway, of Washington, be employed in the interests of the Kansas Pacific?”

“No, sir.”

Mr. Anderson read from the minutes of a Kansas Pacific meeting, in 1876, and Mr. Gould remembered that Senator Rollins, a great friend of Mr. Ordway, asked him to write a letter about it. He knew of nothing coming from the letter.

“Do you remember any talk of fighting the Credit Mobilier?”

“I saw some of their stockholders and they said they would turn in their stock to us. Others wouldn’t. The Credit stockholders alleged that the Union Pacific owed their company a great deal of money. I succeeded in getting the great bulk of the stock turned over before a judgment was obtained.”

“You remember your address to the Union Pacific president and directors.”

“I wanted to put myself in a position to bring a suit.”