HOUSE OF LORDS,
February 19, 1841.
In the House of Lords, on the motion that the trial of the Earl of Cardigan be printed,
The Earl of Eldon said, there were some matters connected with the subject, that ought not to pass without notice. It would be recollected that the right reverend prelates, towards the latter part of the trial, requested permission to withdraw, and did so. In a portion of the address of the Attorney-General to their Lordships, the learned gentleman made use of a certain expression,—no doubt out of his kind regard towards the noble Earl at the bar,—in which his feelings seemed to have carried him a little beyond what he originally intended. The expression to which he alluded was this:—“That he was glad that nothing of moral turpitude had occurred in this case.” Now, he was perfectly prepared to say, that, in the present state of society in this country, it was difficult to suppose that it could go on as it now did, unless certain allowances were made for the feelings of respectable individuals placed in situations of great difficulty, where, perhaps, their sentiments differed materially from the line of conduct they were pursuing. No man was more ready to make that allowance than he himself was; but, even admitting that, it appeared to him that the Attorney-General, in making the observation to which he had alluded, had gone a little beyond what he ought to have done. Now, as the trial had gone off on matter totally irrelevant to that point,—as no opinion had been given by their Lordships on the subject,—he thought it right to notice it, lest it might be supposed that their Lordships concurred in the sentiment to which he had referred. He believed their Lordships would agree with him in saying, that, in whatever situation a gentleman might be placed when driven to have recourse to duelling, it was not a custom that was sanctioned either by the law or by the moral principle of the country. Each specific case must stand between the individual, his conscience, and his God; but he could not conceive it possible how any man could pursue such a course without some delinquency being attached to the act, however the circumstances, in each particular case, might diminish the amount of it.
The Bishop of London said, he hoped it would not go forth to the public, that, if the right reverend prelates had been present at the conclusion of the trial, they would have considered themselves more than any other member of their Lordships’ House implicated in any expression of sentiment made use of by the Attorney-General. If he had been present on the occasion, he would have listened to the expression of those sentiments to which reference had been made with deep regret; and he felt it his duty to state, that there was not, in the matter before their Lordships, anything, in his opinion, that called for the expression of any such sentiments on the part of the legal officer of the Crown, who filled the situation of public prosecutor on that occasion, and who, it appeared to him, had gone beyond the limits of his province in making them. He felt himself bound to say, that he entirely concurred in the sentiments which the noble Earl had thrown out; and he now expressed a strong hope, that the recent unfortunate occurrence, together with other cases which had taken place during the last few years, would induce their Lordships, as the chief component part of the legislature, to take the question into their deep and serious consideration, and to see whether something could not be done to put an end to that which was a shame and a scandal. It was a custom derived from the barbarous ages: it was the remains of that system of chivalry, which, though perhaps it might have been of great use at the time when it prevailed, was utterly inconsistent with the manners and customs of the present day. The system in which it originated had long passed by; but it had unhappily left behind it one of its worst features in the barbarous, wicked, and unchristian practice of duelling.
The Earl of Mountcashell was of opinion, that something ought to be done on the subject of duelling; otherwise their Lordships would expose themselves, after the result of the recent trial, to the malignant aspersion, that they identified themselves with the system. He wished to know from her Majesty’s government, whether the act of the 1st of Victoria was framed with intent to put an end to duelling? If so, the trial which had occurred could only be considered as a mockery of justice. If their Lordships were really of opinion that duelling ought to be put an end to, then another measure, stronger than that now in existence, ought to be adopted. No later than yesterday morning, he found by the public prints, a duel had been fought by a Mr. Marsden and a Colonel Paterson, in which one of the parties was severely wounded. He therefore thought that this was a proper occasion for noticing the subject. He was one of those who held the opinion, that by proper means duelling might be put a stop to; the more especially if measures were taken to afford just redress for the different offences out of which duels frequently arose. Some mode, he conceived, ought to be adopted, to give due satisfaction in cases of minor offence, as well as those of a more grave and serious nature. For instance, a man received some degree of insult, and immediately called the aggressor out. Why did he thus call him out?—because the law afforded him no proper satisfaction. There was no law to prevent or punish the offence under which the challenger felt himself aggrieved. In this respect the law was extremely defective. Again, if a man’s daughter was seduced, he could only sue the seducer for the worth of her services; and who would be satisfied with such a mockery of justice as that? So long, therefore, as this defective state of the law remained, so long would the system of duelling prevail. Under the circumstances which he had stated, men really did not know how to act. For instance, an officer in the army received an affront: his brother officers expected that he should go out. What was he to do? On the one side, if he went out, he was threatened with the 1st of Victoria; on the other, if he refused, he was obnoxious to the contempt of his brother officers. The unfortunate man had to choose between these two evils. He hoped and trusted that her Majesty’s government would take this matter up, and that he should not be told by the noble Viscount, that he ought to introduce some measure himself. Ministers owed it to the nation itself, which called for some measure on the subject. The responsibility, in his opinion, lay entirely with them; and therefore he called on them to produce a measure that would meet the evil. If they were not prepared, let them appoint a committee to inquire into the subject. Let that committee investigate the matter as closely as possible, and report on it to the House; but let not the question be left in the state in which it was at present; for, while it thus remained, no man in the country was safe,—no man was exempt from being placed in fearful jeopardy. He should conclude by asking whether it was the intention of her Majesty’s government to propose any measure to parliament for the more effectual prevention of duelling?
Lord Melbourne said, he was fully sensible of the great importance of the subject; but, in answer to the noble Lord’s question, he had only to state, that her Majesty’s government did not mean to bring forward any measure of such a nature as the noble Earl had referred to. He apprehended that the noble Earl, on a more mature consideration of the subject, would find that the actual state of the law was not deficient in force, and that it was hardly capable of being made more stringent that it was at present.
The following is the paragraph in the morning paper, referred to by the Earl of Mountcashell:—
“Yesterday a hostile meeting took place between Colonel Paterson, of the East India service, and Robert Mark Marsden, Esq. of Park Lodge, Regent’s Park. The parties met in a field at the back of the Eyre Arms tavern, at daybreak, and exchanged shots without effect. The seconds then interfered, and endeavoured to reconcile the gentlemen; but, not succeeding, the parties were again placed on the ground. At the second fire the ball from Mr. Marsden’s pistol took effect on the right side of the gallant Colonel, which was severely shattered. The affair then terminated.”