Tyndale. Because by that word church, you understand nothing but a multitude of shorn and oiled, which we now call the spirituality or clergy; while the word of right is common unto all the congregation of them that believe in Christ.[961]
More. The church is the pope and his sect are followers.
Tyndale. The pope teacheth us to trust in holy works for salvation, as penance, saints' merits, and friars' coats.[962] Now, he that hath no faith to be saved through Christ, is not of Christ's church.[963]
More. The Romish church from which the Lutherans came out, was before them, and therefore is the right one.
Tyndale. In like manner you may say, the church of the Pharisees, whence Christ and his apostles came out, was before them, and was therefore the right church, and consequently Christ and his disciples are heretics.
More. No: the apostles came out from the church of the Pharisees because they found not Christ there; but your priests in Germany and elsewhere, have come out of our church, because they wanted wives.
Tyndale. Wrong: ... these priests were at first attached to what you call heresies, and then they took wives; but yours were first attached to the holy doctrine of the pope, and then they took harlots.[964]
More. Luther's books be open, if you will not believe us.
Tyndale. Nay, ye have shut them up, and have even burnt them.[965]...
More. I marvel that you deny purgatory, Sir William, except it be a plain point with you to go straight to hell.[966]