DS: Did you see any activity near the craft?
JR: No.
DS: The angle of the craft ... was it flat was tipped...
JR: One part was kind of buried in the ground ... and part of it was sticking out of the ground ... about like that (DS: about a 30 degree angle?) Yeah ... and I’m sure that was bodies ... either bodies or dummies...
DS: Why do you say “dummies?”
JR: The federal government could have been doing something because they didn’t want anyone to know what this was ... they was using dummies in those damned things ... they could use remote control.
DS: So you thought that it could have been an experimental craft?
JR: After I came to town showed Frank Willis and his son (he’s dead) ... the Blue Moon beer joint over on the old Dexter highway. We was there until two o’clock in the morning ... I had the jeep behind my car.
DS: Did you still have the scrap in the jeep?
JR: Yeah. I showed it to him. He said I would just keep my mouth shut ... he said hell there is no telling where that come from.