Yes.
And the pilot likewise, in the strict sense of the term, is a ruler of sailors and not a mere sailor?
[E]That has been admitted.
And such a pilot and ruler will provide and prescribe for the interest of the sailor who is under him, and not for his own or the ruler’s interest?
He gave a reluctant ‘Yes.’
The disinterestedness of rulers. Then, I said, Thrasymachus, there is no one in any rule who, in so far as he is a ruler, considers or enjoins what is for his own interest, but always what is for the interest of his subject or suitable to his art; to that he looks, and that alone he considers in everything which he says and does.
[343]When we had got to this point in the argument, and every one saw that the definition of justice had been completely upset, Thrasymachus, instead of replying to me, said: Tell me, Socrates, have you got a nurse?
The impudence of Thrasymachus. Why do you ask such a question, I said, when you ought rather to be answering?
Because she leaves you to snivel, and never wipes your 21 nose: she has not even taught you to know the shepherd from the sheep.
What makes you say that? I replied.