Mr. Velde. It is obvious to me that we cannot get any information whatsoever from this witness. So I have nothing further to ask.

Mr. Moulder. Would you answer a question concerning any information or knowledge you may have of Communist Party or subversive activities in which you yourself were in no way whatsoever personally connected? If you had such knowledge and information, would you answer the question concerning such information or knowledge?

(The witness confers with her counsel.)

Mrs. Gustafson. I am sorry, Mr. Chairman, but I have to invoke the fifth amendment, for the reasons previously given.

Mr. Moulder. I want to make myself clear, that I am not proposing to ask you questions concerning any matter or any fact which would tend to incriminate you personally.

I say would you answer any question concerning any fact or information you may have concerning subversive, communistic, or un-American activities which you yourself were not related to, but which you have knowledge of concerning someone else. Would you answer such a question?

(The witness confers with her counsel.)

Mrs. Gustafson. I am sorry, sir, but I shall have to invoke the fifth amendment.

Mr. Moulder. You are excused as a witness.

The committee will stand in recess until 1:30.