Mr. Velde. It is just unbelievable to me. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Mr. O’Connell. You are in a different position than I am.

Mr. Velde. With all your connections that have been brought out here with the various front groups, with all of your connections with well-known Communists, not to realize that there has been an espionage ring operating in this country is amazing to me. You are an intelligent man.

Mr. O’Connell. Any of those groups or any of the individuals that have been mentioned here can be tied down to specific programs or purposes or things of that kind, but certainly nothing along the line of espionage.

Mr. Willis. Would it surprise you if they were?

Mr. O’Connell. No, it would not surprise me; but what I am saying is that I do not know.

Mr. Willis. The committee is adjourned and the witness is dismissed.

Mr. O’Connell. Thank you.

(Whereupon, at 5:25 p. m., the hearing in the above matter was concluded and the committee recessed to the call of the Chair.)