Mr. Tavenner. But if it was an organization which the leadership of the Communist Party had captured and had under its control, it would be perfectly all right to make an award?

Mr. O’Connell. The organization never, I mean the foundation never went out and conducted any Red hunt or went out——

Mr. Tavenner. Never took any precautionary measures?

Mr. O’Connell. Don’t put words in my mouth. We never went out and conducted any kind of a Red hunt, we never investigated the organization to see what they were doing.

Mr. Tavenner. Didn’t you make any investigation?

Mr. O’Connell. When they said we want to do so and so in the labor field. We wanted to do this or that, if it was within the provisions of the will and in the minds of the majority of the trustees something we felt ought to be done, the grant was made. If we didn’t, it wasn’t.

Mr. Tavenner. You said you didn’t make a Red hunt, witch hunt, I am not sure which you stated. Red hunt. But actually you didn’t make any investigation?

Mr. O’Connell. As to whether or not this organization had Reds in it or Communists in it?

Mr. Tavenner. As to whether it was a Communist-controlled organization.

Mr. O’Connell. No, we didn’t make any such investigation.