Upon the supposition that Mr. Smith is innocent, this conduct is natural and its object obvious. Upon the supposition of his guilt, it is unaccountable, and would have been without a rational object. I cannot, therefore, infer guilt against all the probabilities of innocence. I have now gone through all the evidence which has been deemed by the gentleman from Massachusetts the most material against Mr. Smith. I have omitted many circumstances both in the papers formerly before the Senate, and those now presented by Mr. Smith’s counsel, tending further to demonstrate his innocence; to these I merely request the attention and recollection of the Senate. It has not been my object to dilate on them, but merely to state the reasons on my mind why the conviction of Mr. Smith’s guilt was not produced on it, which has been on the gentleman’s from Massachusetts. This has been done by the best consideration of those parts of the evidence which he so ably and eloquently selected and presented to our view; of course the worst part of the picture has been constantly before us. Upon a candid review of all the circumstances, to what do they amount? To suspicions, and suspicions only—suspicions unnatural and improbable. Has a single act of participation in Burr’s conspiracy been proved? Not to my discernment. Has any been suggested to have been proved? I have heard of none. If any criminal act has been committed, why do not gentlemen tell us what it is—in what it consists? Why do they not put their finger upon it? I call upon gentlemen, I challenge them to do it. That at least must be done, before I can convict the accused of guilt.
Mr. Anderson said, when he moved the postponement of this business, the day before yesterday, it was from a desire to collate the testimony; which, having done, he was prepared to vote when he first took his seat this morning, and had not intended to have taken any part in the discussion of the subject. But, seeing that almost all the strong points of circumstantial testimony had been either overlooked or not duly appreciated by the gentlemen (Mr. Hillhouse and Mr. Giles) who had spoken against the adoption of the resolution, and who had, withal, entered with great warmth into the discussion, he felt himself bound, as a member of the committee to whom the case of Mr. Smith had been referred, to examine some of the prominent parts of the evidence, and to present it impartially to the view of the Senate. Mr. A. said, in the course of his examination of the evidence, he should not, as the gentleman who preceded him had done, entirely discard the testimony of Elias Glover, but should make that testimony, in its proper place, a part of the groundwork of his observations, and support it by Mr. Smith’s own affidavit, and his admission of parts of it in his answer to the committee. Mr. A. said, in order to have a correct view of the case, it would be necessary to recite sundry parts of the testimony—as, by combining and comparing it alone, could the subject be clearly understood—and he would begin with the evidence of Peter Taylor, (as being the first in order,) who states that in the month of October, 1806, he was sent by Mrs. Blannerhasset, to Lexington, after Mr. Blannerhasset, with a letter, to prevent Colonel Burr from coming back with him to the island. That he was ordered to call at Mr. John Smith’s. That he called at Mr. Smith’s store and asked for him. When he came out, Taylor inquired for Colonel Burr and Blannerhasset. Mr. Smith said he knew nothing of either of them. That he, Taylor, must be mistaken as to the place where he was to inquire. Taylor said he was right. That he was directed to inquire for John Smith, storekeeper, Cincinnati; and asked Mr. Smith if he did not recollect a young man that had come for Colonel Burr’s top-coat, (greatcoat,) and informed Mr. Smith he had lived with Mr. Blannerhasset three years. He says that, when Mr. Smith heard him talk so, he took him up stairs, and asked him the news. Wanted to know what was passing; what was said about General Wilkinson; and if he, Taylor, would carry a letter from him to Blannerhasset, which he agreed to. Mr. Smith then informed Taylor that he would find Burr and Blannerhasset at the house of a Mr. Jourdan, at Lexington, where he found Mr. Burr, who, among other inquiries, asked what letters he had? Taylor replied he had two; one from Mrs. Blannerhasset, and one from John Smith, of Cincinnati. The letter from John Smith, Mr. Burr allowed, was for him, (it was directed to Blannerhasset,) but on Mr. Burr’s opening it, he found it contained a letter for him. Having recited some parts of the testimony of Peter Taylor, I shall proceed to make some observations thereon. And here let me premise, that the general character of Peter Taylor has, heretofore, stood the test of the strictest scrutiny at Richmond; and, on a recent inquiry into his veracity and general character, the counsel of Mr. Smith has found both so well sustained, that they have not, in the course of their arguments, attempted to invalidate it, but have contented themselves with pointing out some small mistakes, that have not, in the least degree, lessened the validity of his testimony. With this fair character, then, does Peter Taylor stand before you, and his testimony must receive that portion of credit which is due to established integrity. But notwithstanding the credit of this witness, thus established, Mr. Smith, in his answer to the committee, denies almost every thing that has been sworn to by Peter Taylor. We must then believe, either that Peter Taylor, with all his fairness of character, and totally disinterested, has sworn false respecting the conversation with Mr. Smith, or that Mr. Smith in his answer to the committee, must have denied what he knew to be true. Which are we to believe? I shall make no comment. Every member of the Senate can form as correct an opinion for himself upon this subject, as I could possibly express. Let us now examine what the testimony of Peter Taylor amounts to against Mr. Smith. Taken by itself, although it may excite strong suspicion, perhaps no great criminality could attach to it; but, combine it with many other circumstances, and it wears a different aspect. I pass over the extraordinary conversation between Mr. Smith and Peter Taylor, and come to the question asked by Mr. Smith. What was said about General Wilkinson? Why is the name of General Wilkinson introduced by Mr. Smith? The Senate will recollect that, in the deciphered letter, written by Colonel Burr to General Wilkinson, which was read yesterday by the honorable chairman of the committee, (Mr. Adams,) Colonel Burr tells General Wilkinson that the contractor will supply provisions, to be sent to such points as Wilkinson shall direct. Mr. Smith is the contractor for supplying the army; and a strong inference would here arise that he was the person meant by the term contractor; hence his question—What is said about General Wilkinson? And this question, asked under the peculiar circumstances which here present themselves, implies a knowledge of Colonel Burr’s plans, which are developed by the communication General Wilkinson made to the President, of the contents of the deciphered letter. Add to these considerations, Mr. Smith’s first denying to Taylor that he knew any thing about Burr or Blannerhasset, and shortly after, when he found Taylor was a domestic of Blannerhasset’s, he directed Taylor to the house in Lexington, where he would find Colonel Burr; and they certainly excite a strong impression that Mr. Smith had a knowledge of Colonel Burr’s plans and movements. It will be recollected that Mr. Smith asked Taylor to carry a letter from him to Blannerhasset; but, from the testimony of Taylor, it appears that the letter was for Colonel Burr. The contents of this letter, and the answer thereto, are presented to us, and from them arguments have been drawn to prove that Mr. Smith is entirely innocent. But the very able elucidation which had been given of those letters by the honorable chairman of the committee, (Mr. Adams,) has not, I expect, left a very strong impression of the innocence of Mr. Smith, either with respect to the tenor of the correspondence, or the object of it. A very different construction has, however, been attempted to be given to the contents of this letter, and the answer thereto, by the gentleman from Virginia, (Mr. Giles.) Which will best comport with the whole train of Mr. Smith’s conduct in relation to Colonel Burr’s plans, the Senate will determine.
I shall now proceed to examine the testimony of Elias Glover, and I think I can show that Mr. Smith’s own affidavit does most fully support some of the most material parts of it; and it is worthy of remark, that Mr. Smith, in his answer to the committee, admits more of the facts sworn to by Elias Glover, notwithstanding the very bad character Mr. Smith gives him, than he admits of the facts stated in Peter Taylor’s deposition, whose character, with all the pains that have been taken to invalidate it, yet remains untarnished. For this extraordinary procedure it may be necessary to account. With respect to Peter Taylor, it will be recollected, Mr. Smith had never admitted the material parts of the conversation as stated by Taylor to have taken place. That Taylor’s weight of testimony of course depended on his own character, and Mr. Smith in his affidavit presented to the Senate, says, that he can prove the falsehood of the statement of this witness. Thus was this man’s testimony to be positively disproved, which however has failed. But Glover’s could not be completely prostrated in the same way, because Mr. Smith had on his oath admitted sundry of the facts stated by Glover, and that at a time when Mr. Smith hardly calculated upon being arraigned before the Senate under the present charge. It therefore became necessary that Glover’s general character should be so completely destroyed by positive swearing, as to disprove, if possible, even the very facts which are fully corroborated by Mr. Smith’s own admission on oath. But, Mr. President, when I look around, and observe that many of this body, either on the bench or at the bar, have been much accustomed to compare positive swearing with strong circumstantial testimony, I have not a doubt, but that each of those different kinds of evidence will be duly and deliberately estimated. I will now proceed to state some of the material parts of Elias Glover’s testimony, and will afterwards compare those parts with Mr. Smith’s own affidavit. In Glover’s deposition, he states that on the 23d November he, in company with a friend, (this friend appears to be William McFarland,) went to Mr. Smith’s, and had a conversation with him, in which Mr. S. stated that Mr. Burr had disclosed to him his object, which he had never fully done before—which was, in the first place, should a war take place between the United States and Spain, to head a corps of volunteers, and march into the Mexican provinces; a great number of enterprising young men were engaged for that purpose—that his preparations on the western waters were extensive—that the plan had been long maturing, and expressed a full confidence in Colonel Burr’s success. Mr. Smith said that his sons were going to Orleans in a few days, and that he had consented that Colonel Burr should there take them into his charge; he having assured him that he, Burr, would provide well for them—he also said that Burr wanted the gunboats he was then building. Mr. S. said he had not been well treated about the boats he had before built. Mr. S. in his deposition sent to the President, some time after the proclamation issued, states that when Burr made his second visit to Cincinnati, in November, 1806, he disclosed his plan fully to him as he thought. Being about to take his leave, he said, Mr. Smith, my object in a few months will be known; you will not find it dishonorable or inimical to this Government. Thus much I will venture to tell you, if there should be a war between the United States and Spain, I shall head a corps of volunteers, and be the first to march into the Mexican provinces. In this statement of Mr. Smith, he fully confirms the deposition of Glover; and he also admits that he agreed to let his sons go with Colonel Burr. This is another very important point, which goes to support the testimony of Glover. For how could Glover have known this fact, but from Mr. Smith himself—for Mr. S. seems to have been so cautious about communicating it, that from his own affidavit, made the 6th January, 1807, he swears that he never communicated it to his eldest son until the Saturday preceding the 6th January. There is one point of some importance, which Mr. S. though virtually, does not absolutely deny, but evidently intends to deny it in his answer to the committee. It is that part of Glover’s testimony respecting the gunboats, which is supported by the letter of the Accountant of the Navy in answer to one from the chairman of the committee. The accountant says, that Mr. Smith had previous to November, 1806, built two gunboats for the United States, and that from some change in the plan, there arose a difficulty in fixing a proper valuation. Glover says Mr. Smith told him he had not been well treated about them at Washington. I would ask how could Glover ever have known that there had been the smallest difficulty about Mr. Smith’s gunboats which he built for Government, if Mr. S. himself had not communicated it. There is no great criminality in this communication, but it certainly tends to prove substantially the conversation between Mr. Glover and Mr. Smith. Thus, I conceive, have several important and material parts of the testimony of Elias Glover been supported, and so far as circumstantial testimony can tend to establish facts, is the deposition of Glover entitled to credit.
It has been attempted to be shown, that Glover was a bitter enemy of Mr. Smith, and affidavits to that effect have been produced, from which it is inferred that no kind of communication whatever could, or had, taken place between them. In the deposition of General Gano, it is stated that, in the summer of 1806, Mr. Glover did, in an electioneering conversation, make use of harsh epithets respecting Mr. Smith. But from the deposition of Mr. Carr, at whose house Mr. Glover boarded, it appears that Mr. S. did visit Mr. G. at his lodgings, and that he saw them engaged in private conversation in the fall of 1806.
Mr. Dugan, who is stated to be a merchant at Cincinnati, deposeth that he boarded in the same house with Mr. Glover, in the fall of 1806; that he has seen Mr. Smith going to Glover’s lodgings, at the dusk of the evening, and that Mrs. Carr, the landlady, frequently expressed herself in the following terms: “I wonder what brings Mr. Smith so often to this house after dark, and causes him to stay so long in Mr. Glover’s room?” or words to that effect. Now, if we believe these witnesses, and we have no reason to doubt their veracity, there certainly must have been a very good and intimate understanding between Mr. Smith and Mr. Glover in the fall of 1806, and this will account for Mr. Smith’s free communication to Mr. Glover; and the deposition of William McFarland proves the conversation between Mr. S. and Mr. G. to be substantially correct; and as Mr. Smith has fully proved that Glover and McFarland were both concerned in Burr’s plans, it will remain with the Senate to say whether it has not also been proved that Mr. Smith was likewise concerned. I shall take a very short view of Mr. Smith’s journey to Frankfort, at the time he saw Col. Burr there, shortly after the conversation which has been stated to have taken place at Mr. Smith’s own house, with Glover and McFarland. Some business led Mr. S. to Lexington, where he was informed by a Mr. Jourdan, that if it was known he (Smith) was there, he would be summoned as a witness against Colonel Burr, who it was said was at that time arraigned at Frankfort. Mr. S. said that he was willing, and that he knew nothing of the business. A similar conversation passed between Mr. S. and a Mr. Kelly, by which it appears that Mr. Smith did go to Frankfort on his own business; that for want of General Adair, Mr. Burr’s trial before the grand jury was delayed; but Mr. Smith said he could not be detained at Frankfort from his business, particularly as he knew nothing that would either criminate or exculpate Colonel Burr. Thus we see Mr. Smith denying any knowledge whatever of Col. Burr’s plans, although he had acknowledged that Colonel Burr had disclosed his views to him; and the charge then against Colonel Burr was, an intention to invade the Spanish provinces. Mr. Smith’s testimony, had it been given, would certainly have thrown much light on the subject, and might have put a complete stop to all the future consequences which created so much agitation throughout every part of the continent.
In about ten days after this affair happened, on the evening of the sixteenth December, Mr. Smith told Mr. Token, as appears by his deposition, that he never believed Colonel Burr to be engaged in hostility against the United States, until he saw the President’s proclamation. Until then he believed, as we had been in expectation of a war with Spain, that if Colonel Burr was engaged in any enterprise, it was under the protection, and with the advice of our Government. About the same time, Mr. Smith makes a similar communication to Mr. Gano, who inquired of him if he was acquainted with Burr’s designs and mysterious movements in the Western country. Mr. Smith said he had endeavored to find out, but could not, further than they were honorable, and would be approved by the United States; that he was going to settle his Washita lands, and would, if a war should take place between Spain and the United States, be ready to embark in it, and that many who were now his enemies, would then be glad to call him their friend. Major Riddle states that he had the command of the militia that were called out to stop Burr’s boats; that he was stationed near Mr. Smith’s house, and had instructions from his superior officer to try to find out whether Mr. S. knew any thing of Burr’s affairs, and what he knew; and that, in one of the conversations had with him, Mr. S. said he knew more of Burr’s concerns than any man in the State of Ohio, but one. Those various declarations thus made by Mr. S. at several different times, and under different circumstances, appear to be entirely inconsistent with one another. We see by the testimony of Jourdan and Kelly, that Mr. Smith declared that he knew nothing about Mr. Burr’s business, and nothing that could criminate or exculpate him. We have seen what Glover stated of what Mr. Smith communicated to him; we have seen that statement confirmed by Mr. Smith’s own affidavit, sent to the President; and we now see what Mr. S. has declared to Mr. Token and Mr. Gano; to the former he says, that if Burr was engaged in any enterprise, it was under the protection, and with the advice, of our Government; this was the very language Mr. Burr himself held out to induce the unwary and unsuspecting to join him. To Mr. Gano, Mr. Smith says, he had endeavored to find out Burr’s plans, but could not, further than that they were honorable, and would be approved by the United States; and to Major Riddle he says, he knew more of Burr’s plans than any man in the State of Ohio, but one. These three last conversations took place about ten days after Mr. Smith had declared to Jourdan and Kelly, that he knew nothing of Burr’s business, or any thing that could criminate or exculpate him. How are these various declarations of Mr. S. to be reconciled? At one time he says he knows nothing of Burr’s affairs; ten days after, he says he knew more of his concerns than any man in the State of Ohio, but one; and goes so far as to say, that if Burr was engaged in any enterprise, it was under the protection, and with the advice, of our Government; and all this after Mr. Burr had told him that he had been persecuted in this Government, shamefully persecuted, and that, in it, all private confidence between man and man seemed to be nearly destroyed. Could, or did, Mr. Smith believe that the Government countenanced any of the plans of Mr. Burr? It appears to me impossible. What, then, could induce him to make such a declaration, and at different times? Did Mr. S. believe that the Government would give its sanction to an illegal act? For, as a member of the National Legislature, he must have known that it was not authorized by law, and that the President would not dare, in violation of the constitution, (even if had ever so great an inclination,) to countenance an enterprise that would inevitably involve our country in war. And did Mr. S. believe that the Administration had such unbounded confidence in Mr. Burr as to intrust him with so important an expedition at that critical period? Yet these things we must believe, if we believe Mr. Smith sincere in his declaration; and if we do believe him sincere in saying that if Mr. Burr was engaged in any enterprise, it was under the protection, and with the advice, of our Government, we must believe that he was conversant with Mr. Burr’s plans, which must have been very plausibly impressed upon him indeed, to have induced him to have formed so extraordinary an opinion.
Mr. Pope.—It is with reluctance that I rise at so late an hour to express the reasons which will influence my vote. The very able and luminous view which my honorable friend from Virginia has taken of this subject will supersede the necessity of many additional remarks from me.
The counsel of Mr. Smith have opposed the resolution on two grounds: First, that the Senate have no jurisdiction in the case; second, that the evidence does not warrant its adoption. Although I have dissented, and still dissent from the opinion of other gentlemen in their application of some of the principles laid down in the report of the committee, I concur with them on the general ground of jurisdiction. Their arguments on this point were very plausible and ingenious. They have contended that the Senate has no power to inquire into any offence of which one of its members may be accused, that is cognizable in a civil court of criminal jurisdiction. Every man is equally amenable to the general laws of the land, and liable to be prosecuted and punished in the civil courts; but when a man is clothed with a legislative character, he is placed in a new relation; and, besides being amenable to the judicial tribunals of his country, he becomes, to a certain extent, responsible for his conduct to that body to which he belongs; and that body has a power to inquire into it, without the aid of a civil court. Whenever a member of this House shall be charged with a crime punishable by the general laws of the country, it may be a question worthy of consideration, whether to refer it to the civil court, or to have it examined before this body. On this question, the reasoning of the counsel, when addressed to the sound discretion of the Senate, would merit attention. If, however, the Senate should deem it necessary or expedient to make the inquiry, I entertain no doubt of its power to do so.
I will add nothing more on the subject of jurisdiction, but proceed to consider whether the resolution is supported by the evidence before us. The gentlemen for and against the resolution who have preceded me, seem to consider Glover discredited, and in their arguments, have laid his affidavit entirely out of the case. I shall not inquire into the credibility of this witness, after the solemn protest I have so often made against the use of ex parte testimony, either to criminate the accused, or to impeach the characters or credibility of the witnesses; the Senate must be satisfied that I should be very unwilling to bottom my vote on such testimony. My mind revolts at the idea of pronouncing a man guilty of an infamous crime upon a private ex parte affidavit, especially of a private conversation, so liable to be misunderstood, and so impossible to be disproved. The precedent would be a monstrous one, and the first, I believe, known in this country. I cannot give my vote to sanction it. We are called upon to declare to this nation, that Mr. Smith has been guilty of participating in the conspiracy of Aaron Burr against the peace, liberties, and union, of the people of these States. To authorize us to pronounce the sentence, one of two things ought to appear; either that he has committed some treasonable act, or that Burr’s treasonable project was disclosed to him; and that he connived at, or improperly concealed it; for, I presume, it will be conceded that it should appear that Mr. Smith has been guilty of some act of a treasonable nature. Glover was the important witness against Mr. Smith before the grand jury at Richmond, and his testimony has been deemed very material during the present investigation. If his affidavit is abandoned, I would thank some gentleman to specify the evidence which proves Mr. Smith guilty of committing or concealing any thing treasonable. We are told, however, that, although no particular part of the evidence, or no single link in the chain proves his guilt, yet the whole circumstances combined make it sufficiently manifest. I must confess that many circumstances, which do not appear to have any necessary connection with each other, have been put together with great ingenuity, and from them strong inferences drawn unfavorable to Mr. Smith. After exhibiting this chain in its most plausible and imposing attitude, I believe gentlemen will be at a loss to inform us what is the result, or what particular part, if any, it proves Mr. Smith has performed in this conspiracy of Burr. My friend from Virginia has well explained the circumstances stated by Peter Taylor. Peter Taylor may be mistaken in some of the circumstances, but, admitting the whole to be true, there is nothing incompatible with innocence. It is evident that Mrs. Blannerhasset’s sending Peter Taylor, the letter from Smith to Burr, and Burr’s answer, were not the result of any previous concert, but grew out of the circumstances of the moment. The conversation mentioned by Colonel Taylor has been much relied on. I have, from personal acquaintance, as well as from character, too much confidence in the honor and veracity of Colonel Taylor, to suspect, for a moment, that he would intentionally misrepresent; but if the testimony of Doctor Sellman is to be regarded, we might be induced to suppose it possible that Colonel Taylor either did not apprehend Mr. Smith’s meaning correctly, or that he did not hear the whole of his observations. I am not, however, convinced that Colonel Taylor has been mistaken. I disapprove, very much, the dissemination of such sentiments; it tends to weaken the bond of union, but it cannot, surely, be deemed an infamous or criminal act, which will constitute a ground of expulsion. It is worthy of remark, that almost the whole of the testimony against Mr. Smith relates to conversations; a species of testimony which should be received with great caution. I beg leave to remind gentlemen of some circumstances which have occurred in this city during the present session. Conversations, which have been repeated on the same or the day after they took place, have been understood, and represented differently, by different gentlemen who were present. The gentlemen who have advocated the expulsion of Mr. Smith, have relied principally on Mr. Smith’s own statements. If Mr. Smith’s explanation of his own conduct is to be resorted to, the whole should be taken together. It would be very unfair to garble it. However improper or dangerous it may be considered, to permit a man to prepare the means of a military expedition against a foreign government, without the authority of his own, Mr. Smith’s explanation in his answer, his conduct and declarations, after the President’s proclamation arrived at Cincinnati, his letter to the Secretary of War, of the 14th of December, 1806, afford a strong presumption that he had no criminal intentions. In his letter to the Secretary of War, he stated that, about two weeks before he had called on Burr, then at Cincinnati, and requested to know his object; Burr answered that, in the event of war with Spain, which he deemed inevitable, he would head a corps of volunteers, and march into Mexico; but if peace should be preserved, which he did not expect, he would make a settlement of lands. This was the only disclosure, if it may be called one, which it appears was ever made to him, and this he communicated to the Government two weeks after he received it; but observes, in his letter, that Burr had expressed himself with apparent frankness and candor, that he could not believe that he was engaged in any criminal project. Inasmuch, however, as the President had issued his proclamation, he presumed he must have more information than himself, and considered it his duty to enforce it.
All parties about Cincinnati seem to agree that Mr. Smith was one of the most active and efficient men in arresting the progress of the expedition. He procured the public arms on his own responsibility, and put them in the hands of the militia. It has been said that he pursued this course to blind the people, and not from patriotic motives; this is uncharitable indeed. If Mr. Smith had disregarded the warning of the President and discountenanced an attempt to stop the expedition, such conduct would have been relied on as very strong evidence of his connection with Burr; so, that, whether he was active or passive, his conduct, after suspicion had alighted upon him, would have been equal evidence of his guilt. Whatever may have been Mr. Smith’s confidence in Burr previous to the arrival of the proclamation, it is evident that he abandoned him the moment he was denounced by the Government. If it be true, as has been alleged, that Mr. Glover was a partisan of Burr’s, it is strange, if Mr. Smith was also concerned, that Mr. Smith and Mr. Glover should have conducted themselves so differently after the arrival of the proclamation; and it appears to me very extraordinary that Mr. Glover, if he had been initiated into the secrets of Mr. Burr’s projects, should, in his communications to the Government, have implicated no person except Mr. Smith, who had been so active in defeating them. Can it be seriously contended that Mr. Smith’s hospitality to Burr and his confidence in him is evidence of his criminal participation? Surely not. If such circumstances are deemed sufficient to prove a man a traitor to his country, hundreds of innocent persons might be implicated. When Mr. Burr was in the Western country in the fall of 1806, I thought, and still think, that the charges made against him in the public prints, and in court by the attorney of the United States, if not sufficient to convict him of crime, ought at least to have put us on our guard, and I considered any attempt under these circumstances to give eclat, or to turn public opinion in his favor, imprudent and improper; but, sir, I should not feel myself authorized to pronounce every man a traitor, who treated Mr. Burr with respect, before the President’s proclamation reached that country. The gentleman from Tennessee has contended that we ought not to require the same evidence that would be requisite to convict a man of treason before a petit jury. No position, received in the light in which this appears to have been considered by many during the present investigation, is more fallacious or dangerous; that we are not bound by the forms or technicalities of the law, I admit; but I contend, with confidence, that the Senate of the United States, when called upon to declare the existence of a fact, are as much bound by justice and conscience to require proof of it, as any other tribunal. A court and jury would not perhaps require the proof to be as clear and conclusive in a case where the sum of twenty pounds only was in dispute, as in a case of life and death; and it may be said, with at least some plausibility, that we ought not to be as scrupulous on the present occasion, where reputation only is involved, as if life was at stake. The difference consists, not in the tribunals which decide, but the importance of the questions to be decided. In every case where a fact is in question, the triers or judges ought to require convincing evidence of it before they assert it. It has been said that if odium or suspicion has attached to a man’s character, he ought to be expelled. This ground, if tenable, cannot be relied on in the present state of this question. If this was a proper ground of expulsion, we should have expelled Mr. Smith when he first presented himself here in November last, on account of the odium which had attached to his character by the finding of the indictments at Richmond; but this ground was abandoned. It was decided by this Senate that Mr. Smith was entitled, on the principles of justice, to an opportunity of controverting the charges against him before he should be banished from this House. We have proceeded to inquire into the fact. The question now to be decided is not whether he is a suspicious character, but whether he is proved by the evidence before us to be guilty of crime. I cannot act upon suspicion, or mere conjecture. I will not bottom my vote upon any thing which does not present itself in the shape of substantial evidence. Were I a citizen of the State of Ohio, mere suspicion or distrust of his integrity, or the circulation of opinions which I disapproved, might be a sufficient reason to me to withdraw my confidence from Mr. Smith, to refuse him my suffrage; very different is my situation. It does not depend on my choice or opinion, who shall represent the State of Ohio in this Senate. I do not feel myself authorized to deprive Mr. Smith of his seat here, until he is proved to have been guilty of some infamous or disgraceful conduct.