Harold Norman was in the fifth-floor window in the southeast corner, directly under the window where witnesses saw the rifle. (See Commission Exhibit No. 485, [p. 69].) He could see light through the ceiling cracks between the fifth and sixth floors.[C3-44] As the motorcade went by, Norman thought that the President was saluting with his right arm,
Commission Exhibit No. 485 Positions occupied by Depository employees on fifth floor on November 22, 1963.
* * * and I can’t remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, “I believe someone is shooting at the President,” and I think I made a statement “It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us.”
Well, I couldn’t see at all during the time but I know I heard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle * * *.[C3-45]
Williams said that he “really did not pay any attention” to the first shot—
* * * because I did not know what was happening. The second shot, it sounded like it was right in the building, the second and third shot. And it sounded—it even shook the building, the side we were on. Cement fell on my head.
Q. You say cement fell on your head?
A. Cement, gravel, dirt, or something, from the old building, because it shook the windows and everything. Harold was sitting next to me, and he said it came right from over our head.[C3-46]
Williams testified Norman said “I can even hear the shell being ejected from the gun hitting the floor.”[C3-47]
When Jarman heard the first sound, he thought that it was either a backfire—
* * * or an officer giving a salute to the President. And then at that time I didn’t, you know, think too much about it. * * *
* * * * *
Well, after the third shot was fired, I think I got up and I run over to Harold Norman and Bonnie Ray Williams, and told them, I said, I told them that it wasn’t a backfire or anything, that somebody was shooting at the President.[C3-48]
Jarman testified that Norman said “that he thought the shots had come from above us, and I noticed that Bonnie Ray had a few debris in his head. It was sort of white stuff, or something.”[C3-49] Jarman stated that Norman said “that he was sure that the shot came from inside the building because he had been used to guns and all that, and he said it didn’t sound like it was too far off anyway.”[C3-50] The three men ran to the west side of the building, where they could look toward the Triple Underpass to see what had happened to the motorcade.[C3-51]