Mr. Liebeler. Did she discuss with you during this period that she had been living in your house any of the details of the assassination?

Mrs. Ford. I, frankly, just didn't feel like asking her questions, I really felt like I just wanted to help her, that is all. She never brought the subject up herself.

Mr. Liebeler. Did she say anything about what happened on Thursday night when Lee Oswald came back from Irving to Dallas?

Mrs. Ford. Yes; she said that was not long ago, and she somehow found out someone, I think Robert, told her there was some evidence that someone saw a boy running across—a boy saw someone running across the yard or something, and he thought maybe there was some other man involved. And she began to say, "Well, if Lee didn't kill the President why did he come home on Thursday and why did he leave his ring at home and why was the gun taken from the garage." I mean she was putting that together, she was making me believe that Lee was doing it.

Mr. Liebeler. She was considering at that time the possibility that Lee Oswald was not?

Mrs. Ford. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler. Guilty of this?

Mrs. Ford. Yes; Robert, I believe, was telling her that, that there was a possibility that somebody else did the crime and she was talking about that to me, and that is when she said about why would he come back on Thursday when he never did that before, and also that he would leave a ring that was to her it would mean something that he didn't want—he didn't feel like he would return or something.

Mr. Liebeler. Did you discuss with Marina her feeling as to Lee Oswald's guilt or innocence in this matter?

Mrs. Ford. Well, she feels that—no, I don't remember her discussing it. I think she asked him after she saw him after the assassination he told her no, he did not kill anybody. He told her that. But I think her own conclusion is that he did.