Mr. Ford. No; I don't.
Mr. Liebeler. Directly or indirectly?
Mr. Ford. No.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know Mr. John M. Grizzaffi?
Mr. Ford. Yes; I knew him.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know whether or not he is a friend or associate of Jack Ruby's?
Mr. Ford. I don't know. I have heard that he knows Jack Ruby, I don't know how well he knows him.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know whether Mr. Grizzaffi had any contact with the Oswalds or knew them?
Mr. Ford. None that I knew of.
Mr. Liebeler. When did you first meet the Oswalds?