Mr. Liebeler. Marina's children?
Mr. Ford. No; our children. And, of course, also that Marina was and her two children, my wife felt, would be sort of considered persona non grata in this country from then on, but I didn't consider this would happen as long as she was not implicated in a plot to kill the President.
I know we discussed it but I just can't remember specifically what we said.
Mr. Liebeler. Mr. Ford, did you at any time learn of any desire on Oswald's part to return to Russia?
Mr. Ford. Yes; after the assassination I did.
Mr. Liebeler. How did you learn that?
Mr. Ford. Well, partly from discussing it, I heard it through friends and then later when Marina talked to my wife, I don't remember if this was during the time she visited us during January or after she moved in, but she did tell the story to my wife of his desire, as expressing a desire, to return to Russia, and I am a little confused as to what the story was.
As nearly as I could make out he had told her he wanted to go back to Russia first and then later said, no, he was going—couldn't get a visa to Russia and he was going to try to get a visa and go through Cuba and then go to Russia, and then I think he changed his mind again and said he was going to ask for a visa to Cuba, using it as an excuse with the idea of going to Russia and then stay in Cuba, and somewhere in there I got the idea that Marina was not willing to go. He wanted Marina to return to Russia and I had the impression this was just a—but I couldn't even give you the details of her various statements which led me to the conclusions—as nearly as I could figure out, this was the story she had told my wife and she told me.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you learn at any time through your wife or otherwise that Marina Oswald at one point had contemplated committing suicide?
Mr. Ford. Yes.