Mr. Paine. A friend of hers, Kathleen, now she was originally Kathleen Schroeder, a sister of my uncle, now Kathleen Forbes, and a distant cousin of my mother's, and I think my grandfather, grandparents, would come out occasionally.
Mr. Liebeler. Was your father present at that time?
Mr. Paine. No; he was not.
Mr. Liebeler. He wasn't there at any time during your stay in Santa Barbara?
Mr. Paine. I don't remember that. I am not certain of it.
Mr. Liebeler. How long did you live in Santa Barbara, Calif.?
Mr. Paine. Each year my grandfather paid our way back across the country to Naushon Island in Massachusetts. We lived there 3 years.
Mr. Liebeler. Where did you go after that?
Mr. Paine. Cambridge, Mass.
Mr. Liebeler. How long were you there?