Mr. Dulles. Who was this she?
Mr. Paine. It was Grace somebody, I have forgotten.
Mr. Dulles. One of the people present in these conversations?
Mr. Paine. Yes. So that was my only knowledge that he was, or the people around him were, interested in Cuba, and that is the only thing I can see has any bearing in your interest here.
Mr. Liebeler. To what extent would you say that your father has influenced your own political views and attitudes?
Mr. Paine. I would have guessed it was almost negligible. I was aware that sometime in the beginning of college or something I used the language of the masses or I used jargon which I recognized, came to perceive was of quite leftist nature, and I think that at the time I used to get The Nation, that was in high school. I probably picked it up more from the magazines and things of that sort than from him.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you ever discuss your father with Lee Oswald?
Mr. Paine. On a phone call shortly after the assassination he called and thought it was outrageous to be pinning Lee Oswald who was a scapegoat, an ideal person to hang the blame on.
Mr. Liebeler. Your father called you?
Mr. Paine. Yes; he called me, yes. He didn't suppose it was true, I told him I thought it probably was true. And I told him to keep his shirt on.