Mr. Paine. I think he thought it was too low. He thought the standard of living, he recognized the standard of living was low, and they were restricted therefore in their—just too confined, told where to live. The food was boring and there was nothing to do. I didn't get the idea it was lack of money. He did not say anything about lack of money.
Mr. Dulles. I wonder if we could get for our guidance the approximate number of times he saw Lee Oswald?
Mr. Paine. It was about four times that we had lengthy conversations.
Mr. Dulles. Four times, that is four times prior to the date of the assassination.
Mr. Paine. That is correct.
Mr. Dulles. Or that includes all the times?
Mr. Paine. I didn't see him again after the assassination.
Mr. Dulles. You didn't see him after the assassination. Four times prior to the assassination including this one time you have already described?
Mr. Paine. Yes. This is the first meeting before he went to New Orleans and then about three weekends after he came back——
Mr. Dulles. I think that will be taken up. I just wanted to get in my mind approximately how many times in all you saw him.