Mr. Paine. Unfortunately that first meeting was the clearest one. I was asking him questions, taking his answers. I had hoped when I met this man to have insights into Russia, both meeting him and meeting his wife, and interesting talks about the differences between the Russian system and the American, the western system.
Then I found that he was—some questions, later in the evening, the conversation was translated into Russian also so that Marina could follow along.
Mr. Dulles. You mean after the first half hour when you were preparing——
Mr. Paine. That is right, when we came back after dinner to our house.
Mr. Dulles. Your house. So this went on?
Mr. Paine. What you have heard now occurred mostly in the first half hour when I was speaking directly to him when I met him.
Mr. Liebeler. Then you returned to Irving to your house and had dinner and had the additional conversation?
Mr. Paine. Yes. Now, in all the subsequent conversations, you are going to get less information in what he said.
Mr. Dulles. In the first part of this meeting you were alone and in the second part of the meeting there were other people there?
Mr. Paine. My wife and Marina was able to join us. At this time Marina was packing things for Junie and I noticed that he was speaking very harshly to her. He was telling her what bag or satchel to take. I gathered from it, of course, it was in Russian, and I thought to myself, here is a little fellow who certainly insists on wearing the pants.