Mr. Paine. He did not mention that I can recall his exit from the Marine Corps.

Mr. Liebeler. Did he ever mention the name of Governor Connally in connection with his experiences in the Marines?

Mr. Paine. Not that I remember.

Mr. Dulles. Did he ever mention the President in this or any other conversations?

Mr. Paine. He mentioned the President only once that I can remember specifically; at the ACLU meeting I think.

Mr. Dulles. At the which?

Mr. Paine. At the ACLU meeting I took him to. He had mentioned, he thought President Kennedy was doing quite a good job in civil rights, which was high praise coming from Lee.

Mr. Liebeler. Did you have any discussion during this first meeting other than the discussion you have already mentioned concerning Oswald's political beliefs?

Mr. Paine. There, of course, I was interested in that subject, found we differed, and then in order to not wrestle with concepts or arguments that were unmanageably large, I tried to bring it down to more specific instances of how he would like to see the world be.

Mr. Liebeler. How did you become aware of the fact that you differed, do you remember?