Mr. Paine. That is correct.

Mr. Liebeler. You never saw Oswald drive any of those cars at any time?

Mr. Paine. That is correct. I had keys to both of my cars so he could not have driven them without——

Mr. Liebeler. Without your knowledge?

Mr. Paine. Or else somehow getting another. He would have to—you can, I have driven my car when I have broken the key.

Mr. Liebeler. But you never saw him drive it?

Mr. Paine. I never saw him drive it.

Mr. Liebeler. Did your wife ever tell you that she had seen Oswald driving a car or she was trying to teach him how to drive a car?

Mr. Paine. Yes; she did.

Mr. Liebeler. Did she indicate what proficiency he had at operating an automobile?