Mrs. Paine. He was not present.

Mr. Jenner. Just Marina and you?

Mrs. Paine. Just Marina and I.

Mr. Jenner. Was it in your home?

Mrs. Paine. Yes. I said to her that I did not want to buy toy guns for my children, and that this view of things was shared with a German friend of mine who had been a young girl at the time of the last World War in Germany, and she didn't wish to buy guns for her children to play with, and I said too few people think about this. She said nothing in reply.

Mr. Jenner. She didn't say anything at all in response to that. Does that exhaust your recollection of all discussion of firearms?

Mrs. Paine. Yes; it does.

Mr. Jenner. That occurred in your presence?

Mrs. Paine. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Up to November 22, 1963?