Would you give the Commission your full, most accurate recollection of this whole subject? Start at the very beginning.

Mrs. Paine. I think I learned either in March or April that Lee——

Mr. Jenner. Of 1963?

Mrs. Paine. 1963.

Mr. Jenner. This would be early in your acquaintance with him?

Mrs. Paine. Very early. I learned Lee was not able to drive and didn't have a license.

Mr. Jenner. How did you learn he was not able to drive?

Mrs. Paine. I think it was related to his looking for work the first time in the middle of April, and I had learned he had looked in the Dallas area for work.

Mr. Jenner. How did you learn it?

Mrs. Paine. We were talking about it.