Mrs. Paine. I would be quite certain it was not that weekend. It is possible that this happened, I don't recall any discussion, nor did I have any idea that there had been any occasion when he had to look for a different job.

Mr. Jenner. Never any discussion on that subject?

Mrs. Paine. Never.

Just to complete the discussion of automobile driving, I will go on to the next weekend then when he did not come out to my house, but I——

Representative Ford. That would be the weekend of the 18th?

Mrs. Paine. Just prior to the assassination. The 16th I was having a birthday party for my little girl and said I couldn't possibly take him again to this place so he could take a test. But that he didn't need a car. This was news to him. He thought he needed a car for his initial test, learner's permit. I said he could go himself from Dallas.

Mr. Jenner. This was a conversation between you and Lee Oswald?

Mrs. Paine. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. How did it take place?

Mrs. Paine. It must have been by phone.