Mr. Kellerman. The back seat of that automobile on the right side was Special Agent George Hickey, and on the left side Special Agent Glen Bennett.

Mr. Specter. How were the special agents in the followup car armed, if at all?

Mr. Kellerman. Each agent carries his own gun. This is a 4-inch revolver on their person.

Mr. Specter. Would that apply to you and Mr. Greer as well?

Mr. Kellerman. Absolutely.

Mr. Specter. Were there any other arms in the President's followup car?

Mr. Kellerman. Yes, sir; in this followup car we have what is now known as an AR-15. This is a rifle, and it is on all movements; this vehicle is out of the case; it won't be shown; it could be laying flat on the floor, but she is ready to go.

Mr. Specter. Now, how far behind the President's car did the Presidential followup car follow?

Mr. Kellerman. Not knowing how far it was behind, I would say, from the practice of that driver that he has, five feet would be a maximum.

Mr. Specter. What car was in the motorcade immediately behind the President's followup car?