Senator Cooper. Not before?

Mr. Kellerman. No.

Senator Cooper. One other question: You said the flurry of shots came in the car. You were leaning forward talking to the driver after the first shot. What made you aware of a flurry of shots?

Mr. Kellerman. Senator, between all the matter that was—between all the matter that was blown off from an injured person, this stuff all came over.

Senator Cooper. What was that?

Mr. Kellerman. Body matter; flesh.

Senator Cooper. When you were speaking of a flurry of shots, was there a longer interval between the first shot and the second shot as compared to the interval between the second shot and the third shot?

Mr. Kellerman. Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter. When did you first notice the substance which you have described as body matter?

Mr. Kellerman. When I got to the hospital, sir, it was all over my coat.