Mr. Specter. You had a discussion and when you say "our contention" by that do you mean that was the conclusion you came to?

Mr. Kellerman. Conclusion—that is right, sir—as to where this bullet went into the shoulder and where did it go.

Mr. Specter. While you are on that subject, was there any conversation at the time of the autopsy on that matter itself?

Mr. Kellerman. Very much so.

Mr. Specter. Would you relate to the Commission the nature of that conversation and the parties to it?

Mr. Kellerman. There were three gentlemen who were performing this autopsy. A Colonel Finck—during the examination of the President, from the hole that was in his shoulder, and with a probe, and we were standing right alongside of him, he is probing inside the shoulder with his instrument and I said, "Colonel, where did it go?" He said, "There are no lanes for an outlet of this entry in this man's shoulder."

Mr. Specter. Did you say anything in response to that?

Mr. Kellerman. I said, "Colonel, would it have been possible that while he was on the stretcher in Dallas that it works itself out?" And he said, "Yes."

Mr. Specter. Was there any additional conversation between you and Colonel Finck at that time?

Mr. Kellerman. Not on that point; no, sir; not on that point.