Mr. Martin. Yes.

Mr. Redlich. Could you tell us how you came to know her?

Mr. Martin. Let's see, she had contacted Marina a couple of times by letter, and——

Representative Ford. While she was staying at your home?

Mr. Martin. Yes—well, she sent the letter to Grand Prairie, the letters, Christmas cards, and I think two letters after that. So I called her and Marina wanted to, expressed a desire to, talk to her. So I called her and Marina talked to her on the phone. I think every time she talked to her she talked nearly an hour.

Representative Ford. In Russian or in English?

Mr. Martin. In Russian.

Mr. Dulles. Was it on the telephone?

Mr. Martin. Yes.

Mr. Redlich. Did Marina ever tell you the gist of these conversations?