Mr. Redlich. I would like to go back to this incident when Mrs. Paine came to see Marina. You say Marina did not know that Mrs. Paine was there?
Mr. Martin. Yes, she knew it.
Mr. Redlich. She knew that Mrs. Paine was there?
Mr. Martin. Mrs. Paine didn't know that Marina was there.
Mr. Redlich. But Marina knew that Mrs. Paine was there?
Mr. Martin. Yes.
Mr. Redlich. Did Marina see Mrs. Paine at that time?
Mr. Martin. No.
Mr. Redlich. Did you talk to Marina at that time?
Mr. Martin. Well, before and after.