Mr. Hill. Yes, sir; this was the first shot.
Mr. Specter. Now, what is your best estimate on the timespan between the first firecracker-type noise you heard and the second shot which you have described?
Mr. Hill. Approximately 5 seconds.
Mr. Specter. Now, did the impact on the President's head occur simultaneously, before, or after the second noise which you have described?
Mr. Hill. Almost simultaneously.
Representative Ford. Did you see the President put his hands to his throat and chest while you were still on the followup car, or after you had left it?
Mr. Hill. As I was leaving. And that is one of the reasons I jumped, because I saw him grab himself and pitch forward and to the left. I knew something was wrong.
Representative Ford. It was 5 seconds from the firecracker noise that you think you got to the automobile?
Mr. Hill. Until I reached the handhold, had placed my foot on the left rear step.
Mr. Specter. When, in relationship to the second shot, did Mrs. Kennedy move out of the rear seat?