Mr. Jackson. I could tell they were looking up because they were leaning way out just like that. I couldn't see their faces very well at all.

Mr. Specter. The witness has leaned forward and turned his head to the right and looking upward as he sits in the witness chair, may the record show.

Representative Ford. Did they both turn the same way as you have indicated in answer to Mr. Specter's question?

Mr. Jackson. To the best of my recollection one man looked up to his right and the other man looked up like this to his left, one in each window.

Representative Ford. Can you identify which to his right and which to his left?

Mr. Jackson. I believe the one on the right window, my right, was looking to his right. The one on the west window, the one to my left was looking to his left. I believe I am right on that but I may not be because I just looked at them for a fraction of a second, I just followed them up.

Mr. Specter. What is your best estimate of the distance which separated you from those two men at the time you observed them?

Mr. Jackson. I am not very good at distances. I was about the middle of the block, I guess. I would say around a hundred yards, I guess.

Mr. Specter. Did you see those two men before or after you observed the rifle?

Mr. Jackson. Before.