Mr. Rowland. I would say about 140 to 150 pounds.
Representative Ford. When did you tell your wife you thought he was in his thirties?
Mr. Rowland. Right after I noticed the man, I brought him to my wife's attention, and she was looking at something else at that time, we looked at that, and when we both looked back she wanted to see also, and he was gone from our vision.
Representative Ford. So she never saw him?
Mr. Rowland. My wife never saw him.
Representative Ford. Did you say at that time how old he was or how old you thought he was?
Mr. Rowland. I think I remarked to my wife that he appeared in his thirties, early thirties.
Mr. Specter. When, after you first observed him did you have a conversation about him with your wife?
Mr. Rowland. Right afterwards. There was—just before I observed him there was a police motorcycle parked just on the street, not in front of us, just a little past us, and the radio was on it giving the details of the motorcade, where it was positioned, and right after the time I noticed him and when my wife was pointing this other thing to me, I don't remember what that was, the dispatcher came on and gave the position of the motorcade as being on Cedar Springs. This would be in the area of Turtle Creek, down in that area.
I can't remember the street's name but I know where it is at. And this was the position of the motorcade and it was about 15 or 16 after 12.