Mr. Euins. It was sticking out about that much.
Mr. Specter. About 14 or 15 inches?
Mr. Euins. Yes, sir. And then after I seen it sticking out, after awhile, that is when I heard the shot, and everybody started looking around.
Mr. Specter. At that time, Amos, did you see anything besides the end of the pipe?
Mr. Euins. No, sir.
Mr. Specter. For example, you didn't see anything about a stock or any other part of the rifle?
Mr. Euins. No, sir—not with the first shot. You see, the President was still right along down in here somewhere on the first shot.
Mr. Specter. Now, when you saw it on the first occasion, did you think it was a rifle then? Or did that thought enter your mind?
Mr. Euins. No, sir; I wasn't thinking about it then. But when I was looking at it, when he shot, it sounded like a high-powered rifle, after I listened to it awhile, because I had been in the NDCC for about a year.
Mr. Specter. What is NDCC?