Mr. Frazier. No, sir; I never have seen him eat lunch. I have seen him go to the Doctor Pepper machine by the refrigerator and get a Doctor Pepper but I never have seen him, you might say, sit right down and eat his lunch.

Mr. Ball. In driving back and forth with Oswald did you ever hear him—did he ever talk about guns?

Mr. Frazier. No, sir; he never did.

Mr. Ball. Did he ever tell you he owned a gun?

Mr. Frazier. No, sir.

Mr. Ball. Did Oswald ever say anything to you about buying an automobile in any of these trips?

Mr. Frazier. One time we were talking about it, he said he thought he would just buy him an old car, you know, like mine. I say most models like that you can get them pretty cheap and as far as going back and forth for work that is about all they are good for.

I said, "You don't need a new car to be used for going back and forth. You don't need it unless you drive a good-sized distance."

But that is what he said in the long run he planned to buy one but so far as I know he never did.

Mr. Ball. Did he say that once or more than once?