Mr. Ball. So I will show you this part of this exhibit that hasn't been treated, and tell me whether or not the paper, the color of the paper that has not been treated, is or is not similar to the color of the paper on the bag you saw on the back seat of your car that morning.

(At this point, Senator Cooper entered the hearing room.)

Mr. Frazier. To be frank with you, more like I say the color, the color I saw would be more like it but I imagine if this hadn't been run through that process that this color here that you unwrapped would be more closer to this. This seems to have a little bit different color to me.

Mr. Ball. I didn't get the answer because of the—let's refer to this bag, that is the colored bag.

Mr. Frazier. Okay, sir.

Mr. Ball. And the bag that is not colored, and the other is just a bag.

Mr. Frazier. Okay, sir.

Mr. Ball. We are talking about the colored bag, the one that has changed its color. There is a part of the colored bag that hasn't changed color, isn't it?

Mr. Frazier. Right.

Mr. Ball. That is the part I want to call your attention to.