Mr. Ball. Five clicks after the first?
Mr. Ball. Well, then, you ran about——
Mr. Whaley. About 2½ miles, sir.
Mr. Ball. Two and one-half miles?
Mr. Whaley. Approximately.
Mr. Ball. Two miles and four-tenths approximately.
Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball. Can you give me any estimate of the time it took you to go that 2½ miles?
Mr. Whaley. Not actually, sir. I run it again with the policeman because the policeman was worried, he run the same trip and he couldn't come out the same time I did. But he was turning off of Jackson and Lamar when the light was wrong, and he was hitting a red light at Wood—I mean at Austin and Jackson and he hit a red light at Wood and Austin, then he hit a red light at Houston. Where I wait to make my turn until the light is right just after it has been green, almost ready for it to come red, turn right then, then the other lights turn green just as fast as you get to them, go on right through, you save about 2 minutes in traffic that way. That is where I got the 2 minutes on him he never could make up. So I had to go back with him to make that trip to to show him I was right.