Representative Boggs. .38 Special is?

Mr. Cunningham. Yes, sir. That cartridge.

Representative Boggs. With police forces?

Mr. Cunningham. We use it. Most of your larger police forces use the .38 Special. It is a better cartridge.

Mr. Eisenberg. Getting back to the example we were using before as a second possible theory—the cartridge case that would be lost would be a Western case, I believe actually?

Mr. Cunningham. Yes, it would be a Western case.

Mr. Eisenberg. Now, also getting back to a subject we were discussing, I will quote in part from a letter from Mr. Hoover to Mr. Rankin dated March 31, 1964.

"On March 30, 1964, Mr. Eisenberg requested that the Dallas Police Department be contacted to determine whether any additional cartridge cases had been recovered." And I say parenthetically I mean in addition to the four which we have seen here.

"On March 30, 1964, Lieutenant Carl Day, Dallas Police Department, advised the Dallas office of this Bureau that all of the cartridge cases and bullets recovered had been previously submitted to the FBI."

You mentioned or discussed the question of hand loading. Can you describe what you mean by hand loading?