Mr. Jenner. Not yet.
Mrs. Paine. All right, I have said it. I said to him "Don't be worried about it. You have your rights to your views, whether they are popular or not." But I could see that he didn't take that view but rather was seriously bothered by their having come out and inquired about him. At this time or another, I don't recall certainly, I asked whether he was worried about losing his job, and he was.
Mr. Jenner. Did he say so, Mrs. Paine?
Mrs. Paine. I recall particularly a telephone conversation with him. On one of those in which he called out to talk to Marina, I judge, and perhaps she was busy still changing a baby and I talked. I don't recall the exact circumstances but I do recall it, and I said to him if his views, not any references now to the FBI or their interest in him, but if his political views were interfering with his ability to hold a job, that this might be a matter of interest to the American Civil Liberties Union, that he should in our country have a right to unpopular views or any other kind.
This I believe was after he had been to an American Civil Liberties Union meeting with my husband, that meeting having been October 25.
Mr. Jenner. What was his response?
Mrs. Paine. He was pleased, I felt. He felt in a sense reassured. And indeed I think his response was to join, because it was later reported in the press that he had, which makes me think that this telephone conversation was quite close to the time of the assassination.
Mr. Jenner. Mrs. Paine——
Mrs. Paine. I am putting in a lot of guesswork.
Mr. Jenner. Am I interrupting you?