Mrs. Paine. Yes; because she had just begun a course of study with him in order to try to learn the Russian language at the public library.

Mr. Jenner. She so said?

Mrs. Paine. She so said. I don't recall having heard the name previously. Although I am not certain.

Mr. Jenner. Paul Gregory.

Mrs. Paine. I would be absolutely certain I had never heard the name from either of the Oswalds.

Mr. Jenner. All right. Is that likewise true of Paul Gregory who is the son I may tell you of Peter Gregory?

Mrs. Paine. I am not familiar with that name.

Mr. Jenner. Mr. and Mrs., I know you are familiar with this name, Mr. and Mrs. Declan Ford. When did you first hear of the name of those people with respect to November 22, 1963, before or after or on that very day?

Mrs. Paine. Mrs. Ford was mentioned to me by name by Marina in the fall of 1963 before the time of the assassination. Marina described to me a party at Mrs. Ford's home, and described the decor of the house and how much she admired Mrs. Ford's tastes, and said that Mrs. Ford had done most of the decorating herself.

Let me just say Marina also told me she had stayed at someone's home in the fall of 1962, but she did not tell me the name of Mrs. Ford in that connection. It came up in this other connection. It is only since the assassination that I learned she had stayed briefly at Mrs. Ford's.