Mr. Ball. Do you remember telling the FBI you only stayed 3 minutes up there?

Mr. Williams. I do not remember telling them I only stayed 3 minutes.

Mr. Ball. And then on this 14th of January 1964, when you talked to Carter and Griffin, they reported that you told them you went down to the fifth floor around 12:05 p.m., and that around 12:30 p.m. you were watching the Presidential parade.

Now, do you remember telling them you went down there about 12:05 p.m.?

Mr. Williams. I remember telling the fellows that—they asked me first, they said, "How long did it take you to finish the sandwich?" I said, "Maybe 5 to 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes." Just like I said here. I don't remember saying for a definite answer that it was 5 minutes.

Mr. Ball. Well, is it fair to say that you do not remember the exact time now?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. You do remember, though, that you ate your lunch and drank your pop, your Doctor Pepper, before you came down?

Mr. Williams. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. Were you there any length of time before the Presidential parade came by?