Mr. Ball. And the other day when you were up on the fifth floor with a photographer, you ran to that window, did you?
Mr. Norman. Well, we ran to the window, we thought it was the window we ran to.
Mr. Ball. And you opened that window?
Mr. Norman. Yes.
Mr. Ball. And had your picture taken?
Mr. Norman. Yes.
Mr. Ball. Here is 485. Is that the window as you remembered it that you ran to?
Mr. Norman. I can't say it was that particular window that day but it was between these two windows here.
Mr. Ball. One of the two windows?
Mr. Norman. Yes.